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would the filmmaker talking to the fbi, cnn has details on exactly who he is. >>> they are breaking points, the thresholds of no return and maybe what separates peace from war. they're called red lines. all morning, we're putting them in focus. >>> want a big gulp? in new york you're out of luck. we go out on the street to see what people are saying about the new sugar laws. [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. with two times the points on dining in restaurants,? you may find yourself asking why not, a lot. chase sapphire preferred. there's more to enjoy. >>> let's get back to the middle east and protests aimed at the united states. the sentiment is a stark reminder how some people in other countries view the u.s. this morning we're exploring the red line, that
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so was the fbi. a team of agents arrived in benghazi today to sift through the ashes and look for clues. before arriving here, the fbi spent hours interviewing witnesses and victims evacuated to germany. they are also receiving cooperation from the libyan government who say they have several suspects in their custody, who possibly have important information about the attack. >> amon, thank you for your reporting. u.s. officials report tonight that two u.s. service members were killed, several others wounded in a taliban attack on a joint u.s.-british base in afghanistan, the same camp where prince harry was based. although we're told he was not injured or near this attack, earlier this week the taliban had threatened to do everything in its power to kill prince harry on the job, after british forces publicly announced his deployment to that base. >>> and now to chicago, where after five days of the teacher strike that has idled 400,000 kids, both sides say a deal is at hand. our chief education corre
so was the fbi. a team of agents arrived in benghazi today to sift through the ashes and look for clues. before arriving here, the fbi spent hours interviewing witnesses and victims evacuated to germany. they are also receiving cooperation from the libyan government who say they have several suspects in their custody, who possibly have important information about the attack. >> amon, thank you for your reporting. u.s. officials report tonight that two u.s. service members were killed,...
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now that there are fbi intelligence community and diplomatic security forces in place, reviewing the details, interrogating suspects, working in partnership with the libyan national government, i'm confident when the senate returns to session in november, we will get a thorough briefing on the lessons learned from this tragic incident and on what we should be doing going forward to ensure security for u.s. diplomats and representatives in this uncertain and troubled part of the world. but let me be clear about this. this tragedy, this loss of an american ambassador and three others shouldn't be made part of the partisan fight that is our presidential election and other elections around the country. and i think it is difficult at times, frankly regrettable that some candidates have tried to seek political gain in characterizing this one way or the other. i really think what we should be focusing on is the important lessons we can learn from this, and sustaining america's engagement in a critical part of the world, whereas you know, there are so many other places that demand and need o
now that there are fbi intelligence community and diplomatic security forces in place, reviewing the details, interrogating suspects, working in partnership with the libyan national government, i'm confident when the senate returns to session in november, we will get a thorough briefing on the lessons learned from this tragic incident and on what we should be doing going forward to ensure security for u.s. diplomats and representatives in this uncertain and troubled part of the world. but let...
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>> i mean, i think that is obviously the fbi is investigating. my guess is there's no formal al qaeda connection. there are groups that are supporters, it's a shadowy group of people. they might have had some historical connections to al qaeda in the past. certainly the leader of al qaeda talked about the recent death of a kind of key al qaeda libyan leader just before this event, there might be some kind of connection. but i think it's pretty early to be making any definitive conclusio conclusions. the libyans have arrested some people. there is an interview with a libyan official who says this seems to be a deliberate attack, because not only did they attack a consulate, they also attacked a safe house. it implies some kind of penetration of the libyan security services by this group. >> and it also occurred on the 11th anniversary of 9/11. the effort to sack the u.s. embassy in cairo also occurring on the anniversary of 9/11. is that coincidental? what do you make of that? >> it's a very interesting coincidence, if it's a coincidence. the hist
>> i mean, i think that is obviously the fbi is investigating. my guess is there's no formal al qaeda connection. there are groups that are supporters, it's a shadowy group of people. they might have had some historical connections to al qaeda in the past. certainly the leader of al qaeda talked about the recent death of a kind of key al qaeda libyan leader just before this event, there might be some kind of connection. but i think it's pretty early to be making any definitive conclusio...
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the fbi said an undercover agent gave the teen the fake bomb. the investigation beginning after the teenager, an american citizen, reportedly sent email, discussing violent jihad and killing americans. a neighbor said she is shocked by the accusations. >> it's very scary... and it hurts my heart because i never would have thought -- never what i have thought, you know that this was the way his mind is going. i have sat and listened to him in conversation with my kids, all the time. >> he's only 18 years old and schedule dod appear in a federal court on monday on charges, including attempting to use a weapons of mass destruction. >> the state of wisconsin is appealing the workers union law there. the republican governor, scott walker, pressed for the sweeping changes to union rules to try to eliminate the state's budget deficit. it prompted massive protests at the state's capitol in dispb efforts to recall walker. most public employees have to pay more for benefits and eliminated bargaining rights. governor walker handily won the recall. >> brand
the fbi said an undercover agent gave the teen the fake bomb. the investigation beginning after the teenager, an american citizen, reportedly sent email, discussing violent jihad and killing americans. a neighbor said she is shocked by the accusations. >> it's very scary... and it hurts my heart because i never would have thought -- never what i have thought, you know that this was the way his mind is going. i have sat and listened to him in conversation with my kids, all the time....
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libyan government promised cooperation and the fbi is involved as well. >> okay, martha. thank you. i know you'll continue reporting the story. as you know, american officials moving right now to protect the more than 9,000 men and women in the u.s. foreign service. so many of them braving dangers abroad. the names of their fallen comrades will be etched on a wall at the state department and today president obama paid his respets there and secretary clinton spoke with fierce passion about their service. tonight abc's jon karl h more about those who died. >> reporter: war was still raging when he first arrived in libya last year. ambassador chris stevens fully embraced one of the most dangerous diplomatic missions in the world. >> my name is chris stevens and i'm the new u.s. ambassador to libya. >> he risked his life to stop a tyrant and gave his life trying to help build a better libya. >> reporter: john mccain was with the ambassador when libya celebrated the first free elections. >> chris stevens was one of the finest men i've known in my life. >> reporter: today on the streets o
libyan government promised cooperation and the fbi is involved as well. >> okay, martha. thank you. i know you'll continue reporting the story. as you know, american officials moving right now to protect the more than 9,000 men and women in the u.s. foreign service. so many of them braving dangers abroad. the names of their fallen comrades will be etched on a wall at the state department and today president obama paid his respets there and secretary clinton spoke with fierce passion about...
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while the fbi has made that request. what we found out today, while the fbi has finally made it to tripoli, they haven't been on the ground in bengazi. they deployed their personal to a lotication in the region. they have conducted interviews of personnel who were there at the time of the attack. they made a request that the crime scene be secured. as we know from reporting, the state department -- we don't know whether that request was put to the libyans and whether that was denied. official i spoke to said if we get there now it is not clear whether it will be of use to us. look, one of the things we have to do is question the individuals that the libyans have in custody to understand what they are learning and they made that request through the state department. so the fbi has to pass questions that they have through the state department and then they put the questions and then you wait for that information to come back before you can follow up. not ideal way to do an investigation. i want to play something for our vi
while the fbi has made that request. what we found out today, while the fbi has finally made it to tripoli, they haven't been on the ground in bengazi. they deployed their personal to a lotication in the region. they have conducted interviews of personnel who were there at the time of the attack. they made a request that the crime scene be secured. as we know from reporting, the state department -- we don't know whether that request was put to the libyans and whether that was denied. official i...
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it is called the explanatory memorandum, it was uncovered in virginia in an fbi raid in 1991. it is very clear what their intent and purpose is and when you read their charter, this is a group that is very closely tied to terrorism and all of these subsidiary groups really have the muslim brotherhood as the grandfather organization, establish in the 1920s. >> sean: it seeps to me, congressman, we are at a tipping point. anti-american sentiment. anti-american violence is growing. we have a president -- i don't know -- i don't think appeasement is the right word as much as he is weak. and the people in the middle-east, all they know is strength. and that strength needs to be backed up by a commitment to follow might. en you recognize ronald reagan's three critical word it's peace through strength. if you recall in the reagan administration, when he uncovered that libya was behind the germany disco attack that killed some american soldiers, he went after momar cadoffy and shut him down-- >>> it seems like they are mocking us, daring the united states to act. what's president obam
it is called the explanatory memorandum, it was uncovered in virginia in an fbi raid in 1991. it is very clear what their intent and purpose is and when you read their charter, this is a group that is very closely tied to terrorism and all of these subsidiary groups really have the muslim brotherhood as the grandfather organization, establish in the 1920s. >> sean: it seeps to me, congressman, we are at a tipping point. anti-american sentiment. anti-american violence is growing. we have a...
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the fbi pressing in trying to determine if the deadly attack on the consulate was an inside job. investigators say they want to know how much they knew in advance. our u.s. ambassador and three other americans killed there. a militias behind the attack are starting to disband. and to break apart in the wake of the violent protests. and at the national zoo in washington, a giant panda cub born just six days ago has died. keepers heard distress signs from the mom, and they got there, the cub was dead. these animals are born about the size of a stick, and back to huckabee. >> mike: when republican criticize health care, democrats come up with a response like these. >> i've been searching for the republican alternative, there is no republican alternative. >> and see the republican alternative i'm sorry to say is nonexistent. >> the shrill voices of oppo ramped up for weeks, loudly spreading fabrication and fear and remarkably silent when asked to produce answers of their own. >> frankly, i don't know what they want. said 131 days ago they would have a plan. and hear that sound, that'
the fbi pressing in trying to determine if the deadly attack on the consulate was an inside job. investigators say they want to know how much they knew in advance. our u.s. ambassador and three other americans killed there. a militias behind the attack are starting to disband. and to break apart in the wake of the violent protests. and at the national zoo in washington, a giant panda cub born just six days ago has died. keepers heard distress signs from the mom, and they got there, the cub was...
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it was a sting and the fbi put him in handcuffs. daoud lived only a short distance away in this suburban neighborhood. his neighbors were stunned at the allegations. >> it's very scary. and it hurts my heart because i never would have thought, never would i have thought that this is the way his mind was going. >> reporter: fbi officials say daoud came to their attention last october after he allegedly began posting violent messages on the internet. a few months later, fbi undercover agents posing as radicals contacted daoud online. discussions allegedly began without waging jihad here. by the summer after, daoud was put in contact with another undercover agent posing as a terrorist based in new york. he allegedly began planning an attack and looking at potential targets, including malls and military recruiting centers. fbi officials say dauod was given more than one chance to back out of the plot, but david, they say he was hellbent on going forward. >> pierre thomas in washington, pierre, thank you. now to the race for president to
it was a sting and the fbi put him in handcuffs. daoud lived only a short distance away in this suburban neighborhood. his neighbors were stunned at the allegations. >> it's very scary. and it hurts my heart because i never would have thought, never would i have thought that this is the way his mind was going. >> reporter: fbi officials say daoud came to their attention last october after he allegedly began posting violent messages on the internet. a few months later, fbi undercover...
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i cannot believe that the fbi is not on the ground yet. >> congressman turner, if fbi investigators have yet to set foot in benghazi, how is their investigation supposed to be kribl? >> obviously it can't be. this goes right to the failure fortunate administration's policies in libya. a year ago, the president spent nearly $1 billion u.s. attacking the gadhafi regime without a stated policy, what we hoped to gain, the geopolitical view of those who might come to power, and the president continues to operate in a -- an area where he has no articulated policy and four americans are dead, ambassador is dead, and the president still has yet to be able to describe what has occurred and really what is the president's policy? why is it that the president is operating a year after attacking libya without a policy? >> time was of the essence given gadhafi's intention to invade benghazi, go house to house and kill them like rats or words to that effect. and you senator jim demint have requested any diplomatic cables that might have come from ambassador chris stevens, what motivated you to make suc
i cannot believe that the fbi is not on the ground yet. >> congressman turner, if fbi investigators have yet to set foot in benghazi, how is their investigation supposed to be kribl? >> obviously it can't be. this goes right to the failure fortunate administration's policies in libya. a year ago, the president spent nearly $1 billion u.s. attacking the gadhafi regime without a stated policy, what we hoped to gain, the geopolitical view of those who might come to power, and the...
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he can't tell us whose records the fbi wants, because that is a secret, too.. >> can the fbi without a court supervision decide that it wants to target this american or that american? >> that is a question and in a court case going on here in u.s. district court in san francisco. and in a rare and potentially far-reaching case, the unnamed phone company is challenging fbi's authorities to secretly collect consumer data. >> as far as we know this is only the second time it centers on so called national security letters and laws including patriot act allow the fbi to use ns tlo. demand companies turn over records. and and then, not tell anyone about it. >> it's keeping all information and justification for the investigation secret. >> and fbi doesn't need a subpoena, only to certify information is relevant to a national security investigation. and in court said counter terrorism investigations must be carried out in secret if they're to succeed. the court hearings themselves are secret. here is all we're allowed to see of documents. there is mostly blacked out. >> there is fbi began yu
he can't tell us whose records the fbi wants, because that is a secret, too.. >> can the fbi without a court supervision decide that it wants to target this american or that american? >> that is a question and in a court case going on here in u.s. district court in san francisco. and in a rare and potentially far-reaching case, the unnamed phone company is challenging fbi's authorities to secretly collect consumer data. >> as far as we know this is only the second time it...
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fbi salaries, a quarter billion dollars of cuts. national parks, 218 million and the one that really stands out. embassy security projected to be cut by $129 million when the whole world has seen how much we need to beef up security. >> this is clear where the left hand is not talking to the right hand. as jon huntsman just said, we need more on that. >> of course on both sides, whether the white house and congress are saying look how damaging these meat cleaver cuts are. this is not the way anyone wants to go about this, but this is what they've been handed. >> what has been the gop reaction? >> it's been fascinating. the gop is trying to pass the buck. john boehner put out a statement today, said this report confirms that the president's sequester, the president's sequester, is a serious threat to our national security and must be replaced. so you see what's going on there. congress, speaker, want to have nothing to do with it, trying to get president obama to own the sequester when this was always going to be congress' responsibi
fbi salaries, a quarter billion dollars of cuts. national parks, 218 million and the one that really stands out. embassy security projected to be cut by $129 million when the whole world has seen how much we need to beef up security. >> this is clear where the left hand is not talking to the right hand. as jon huntsman just said, we need more on that. >> of course on both sides, whether the white house and congress are saying look how damaging these meat cleaver cuts are. this is...
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the fbi is also investigating. as we said at the top of the program, american warships have begun steaming closer to libya. a marine yunlt is heading to trip loli to beef up the forces there. >> we're working with the government of libya to secure our diplomats. i have directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. make no mistake, we will work with the libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. >> well, later today after that speech on the cbs evening news, president obama also had sharp words for mitt romney, who's come under fire from democrats and some republicans for his statements lashing out at the obama administration's response to the attacks in benghazi and cairo. statements that whatever you believe about american foreign policy are simply not factual. we'll get to the battle over that in a moment. first we do want to focus on the attacks themselves, what happened last night and what is happening right now with the latest informat
the fbi is also investigating. as we said at the top of the program, american warships have begun steaming closer to libya. a marine yunlt is heading to trip loli to beef up the forces there. >> we're working with the government of libya to secure our diplomats. i have directed my administration to increase our security at diplomatic posts around the world. make no mistake, we will work with the libyan government to bring to justice the killers who attacked our people. >> well,...
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. >> and the fbi or teams of fbi agents were expected to arrive in libya today. what's the latest on that scheduled trip? >> we're hearing from u.s. officials, fredricka, is that that trip by the fbi team has been delayed. they have postponed it because of the security situation here in libya and the region. they decided that it was not the right time to send anyone in. in their words, they do not want to put more people in harm's way. what they are doing, we understand, is that they are questioning people. they are getting witness testimony from people outside the country, including people who have been evacuated. in the meantime, the libyan authorities say their investigation is going really well. they say that they're making great progress so far. >> thanks so much for that update. >>> on to afghanistan now. two u.s. marines are dead after insurgents attacked a joint base in hellmann province. 20 armed terrorists infiltrated the military complex. officials say coalition troops killed all but one of the known insurgents. the survivor is in isap custody. >> the
. >> and the fbi or teams of fbi agents were expected to arrive in libya today. what's the latest on that scheduled trip? >> we're hearing from u.s. officials, fredricka, is that that trip by the fbi team has been delayed. they have postponed it because of the security situation here in libya and the region. they decided that it was not the right time to send anyone in. in their words, they do not want to put more people in harm's way. what they are doing, we understand, is that...
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the fbi begins the investigation by interviewing the 30 american survivors who are now at a u.s. military base in germany. the attacker struck at 10:00 p.m. tuesday and were within the compound firing on the main building where ambassador christopher stephens information manager sean smith and a security officer had begun destroying classified documents. smoke and flames from a grenade exploded on the rough drove the security officer out of the building he went back into find stevens and smith. >>> he got to john smith he was already dead he pulled him from the building he went back into the building with additional forces but was unable to locate ambassador stevens before the fire overcame the building. >>> the battle shifted to an and next to other americans were killed. apparently outnumbered and outgunned by attackers. >>> the remains of the ambassador stevens and three other american scheduled to come home tomorrow elizabeth cook cbs 5 >>> we get our first look inside the consulate every room and every building looks like this. towards then ransacked the compound sits on a r
the fbi begins the investigation by interviewing the 30 american survivors who are now at a u.s. military base in germany. the attacker struck at 10:00 p.m. tuesday and were within the compound firing on the main building where ambassador christopher stephens information manager sean smith and a security officer had begun destroying classified documents. smoke and flames from a grenade exploded on the rough drove the security officer out of the building he went back into find stevens and smith....
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a senior law enforcement official, telling fran townsend, the fbi wanted the u.s. military to provide perimeter support in benghazi, protection in other words, but that request was not granted. fran is a former white house homeland security adviser, serbed in the george w. bush administration. sits on the cia external advisory panel and recently visited libya with mcandrews & forbes. and former fbi assistant director tom pointes who has extensive experience in investigating attacks overseas. so there was military protection to go into benghazi, why didn't they get it? >> the answer to the question is not really clear. so it's not unusual, when you want to set up a security perimeter, you may look to the host country. if the host country is unable or unwilling to provide it, we don't know what the answer to that is, you may ask if you think you need it for u.s. military support, but that's got to go through a process. it needs state department and nsc support, the u.s. military would have to make an assessment about how big a security package that would entail and l
a senior law enforcement official, telling fran townsend, the fbi wanted the u.s. military to provide perimeter support in benghazi, protection in other words, but that request was not granted. fran is a former white house homeland security adviser, serbed in the george w. bush administration. sits on the cia external advisory panel and recently visited libya with mcandrews & forbes. and former fbi assistant director tom pointes who has extensive experience in investigating attacks...
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. >>> missing in iran, the wife of a retired fbi agent who vanished years ago is taking her plea for help to an unlikely person. iran's president himself. >>> scientists are on the front lines of an ambitious goal to cure six deadly cancers this decade. we have an exclusive interview with some of the researchers who are taking on that incredible feat. >>> anger and rage over a u.s.-made film are sparking violent protests in countries overseas for yet another day. take a lack here. this is bangladesh. protesters vandalized a bus and set fire to a motorcycle during demonstrations in its capital city. many protesters were arrested. the demonstrations with all over an independently produced film mocking the prophet muhammad. protests are planned in at least four other countries today. thousands gathered in pakistan not to protest, but to bury some of the people killed in violent demonstrations yesterday. at least 27 people were killed and more than 100 injured. protesters in libya aim their attack not at america, but at the radical islamic group tied to the u.s. consulate attack. hundred
. >>> missing in iran, the wife of a retired fbi agent who vanished years ago is taking her plea for help to an unlikely person. iran's president himself. >>> scientists are on the front lines of an ambitious goal to cure six deadly cancers this decade. we have an exclusive interview with some of the researchers who are taking on that incredible feat. >>> anger and rage over a u.s.-made film are sparking violent protests in countries overseas for yet another day. take...
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>> reporter: well, the fbi is expected to arrive, as you know, randi, in libya today. they are trying to keep somewhat of a low profile because their presence there is a sensitive one. we do know from a source with knowledge of the investigation that agents have been conducting interviews outside the country trying to gather as much information as they can about what happened in benghazi. investigators also plan to gather information on those people who are arrested by libyan authorities. now the libyan authorities have already come out and said that they don't believe those people who are custody had any direct knowledge or direct contact with the people who had carried this out, but they are trying to figure out exactly where that leads by gathering background information on those people. >> and what is the intelligence on this so far here in the u.s.? i mean, did the u.s. know anything at all ahead of time? wasn't there some type of warning that went out? >> yeah. there's a little bit of monday morning quarterbacking going on, with all of the intelligence that's com
>> reporter: well, the fbi is expected to arrive, as you know, randi, in libya today. they are trying to keep somewhat of a low profile because their presence there is a sensitive one. we do know from a source with knowledge of the investigation that agents have been conducting interviews outside the country trying to gather as much information as they can about what happened in benghazi. investigators also plan to gather information on those people who are arrested by libyan authorities....
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the fbi investigating whether the terror atalk on the u.s. consulate was an inside job. agents working the case and we are learning more about the september 11 attack and including 100 armed militants were involved. it was a coordinated assault and killing our former ambassador and two navy seals. >> harris, an fbi team assigned to investigate the murder of u.s. ambassador stevens is looking into the group of are you attackers had inside help from the private security contractors whom the state department hired to guard the benghazi consulate. they asked matthew olsen the question in a hearing this week. blue mountain is a private security group out of wales to hire and vet the guards. they had a contract worth half million. indication of guards casing the consulate was revealed on a gaming website where he went by the name vile rat. assuming we don't die tonight, we saw one of our quote police that guard the compound taking picture. it could be the libyan government police. and the anti-islamic. there is increasing evidence that this group is with al-qaida. the fbi is l
the fbi investigating whether the terror atalk on the u.s. consulate was an inside job. agents working the case and we are learning more about the september 11 attack and including 100 armed militants were involved. it was a coordinated assault and killing our former ambassador and two navy seals. >> harris, an fbi team assigned to investigate the murder of u.s. ambassador stevens is looking into the group of are you attackers had inside help from the private security contractors whom the...
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. >>> we're also learning more this evening about the fbi's move to use new science against criminals in this country. eye scans and other so-called biometrics on street corners and surveillance cameras that scan our faces as we walk by. here's reena ninan now. >> looks like we got a head. >> u.s. marshals. >> reporter: you've seen it on tv. >> facial recognition match on the father. >> reporter: and in the movies for years. now it may soon be coming to a city near you, the fbi's billion dollar project will use available surveillance cameras to scan faces and match those images against their national database of known criminals. dubbed the next generation identification program, face recognition, dna, iris scans and voice identification will make it harder for the most wanted to hide. some worry about the potential to invade privacy, others believe it's a crime-fighting tool whose time has come. >> you've got to go after them where they are and you have to go after them smart with intelligence and special operations. >> reporter: as we approach the anniversary of september 11th, a new
. >>> we're also learning more this evening about the fbi's move to use new science against criminals in this country. eye scans and other so-called biometrics on street corners and surveillance cameras that scan our faces as we walk by. here's reena ninan now. >> looks like we got a head. >> u.s. marshals. >> reporter: you've seen it on tv. >> facial recognition match on the father. >> reporter: and in the movies for years. now it may soon be coming to a...